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- Editor's note: Minutes received 4/7/93. Updated 4/15/93. These minutes
- have not been edited and the attendee list has not been
- appended.
-
- Reported by Allan Cargille
-
- Draft Minutes of the
-
- Seventh Meeting of the IETF X.400 Operations Working Group
-
- Columbus, March 31, 1993
-
-
- Acting Chair: Allan Cargille, Univ. of Wisconsin, U.S.
- Minutes: Urs Eppenberger, SWITCH, Switzerland
-
-
- Draft Agenda of the meeting
-
- 9:30 - 9:45 Introduction
- 9:45 - 10:00 Action list review
- 10:00 - 10:20 Liaison Reports
- 10:20 - 10:30 Review Charter
- 10:30 - 10:45 GO-MHS Community Document
- 10:45 - 12:00 Review X.400 operations documents:
- 1:40 - 2:20 Presentation by Jeroen Houttuin on "Mail based servers"
- 2:20 - 3:20 Presentation by Marko Kaittola on "Table Distribution"
- 3:20 - 3:30 AOB and Plan for next meeting in Amsterdam
-
-
- The minutes do not follow the agenda but provide two main sections,
- liaison reports and document status. All agenda items have been grouped
- into these two sections. A list of actions is appended to make it
- easier for the WG chairmen to track action items.
-
- The minutes of the last X400-OPS meeting in Washington DC are approved.
-
- The chapter on the overall goals in the charter of the X400-OPS group
- needs to be reviewed. The references to OPS-* should be replaced by the
- names of the documents in the Internet Drafts directory. The title and
- time scale of draft-ietf-x400ops-tbl-dist-00.txt (OPS-6) is not
- realistic.
-
-
- Liaison Reports
-
- o IETF MHS-DS Working Group
- The main focus is on the establishment of a pilot by adding routing
- information to the directory to gain operational experience. The
- group hopes to have something to demonstrate at the next IETF in
- Amsterdam.
-
- o RARE WG-MSG Working Group on Mail and Messaging
- A task force works on a number of documents on X.400(88) deployment.
-
- A lot of other documents have been sent for comments to both X400-
- OPS and WG-MSG.
-
- WG-MSG is not a WG in the IETF sense, it is more like an IETF area
- since it covers all mail protocols and is an ongoing group which may
- split off chartered task forces.
-
- WG-MSG has been approached by Allan if the postmaster document would
- be appropriate to be published as RARE Technical Report (RTR). The
- chairman of WG-MSG, Harald T. Alvestrand is positive about it. It
- might be bundled with the GO-MHS requirement.
-
- o EMA Electronic Mail Association
- Nothing was reported
-
- o EEMA European Electronic Mail Association
- Jim Romaguera reported from EEMA. He has been approached by some
- ADMD service providers with questions concerning the connection of
- their services to the Internet. He will forward the questions to
- the X400-OPS list.
-
- Most interesting activities are in the EEMA PRMD operators group and
- in the EEMA ADMD operators group. The problem is that they do not
- have electronic mailing lists for their discussions but do it with
- paper mail. Maybe we could offer to host distribution lists and
- archives for them?
-
- o COSINE-MHS Project
- The new service is called MHS Coordination Service. SWITCH got a
- contract by RARE to provide the staff and the required facilities.
- RARE is the umbrella organisation for research and academic networks
- in Europe. The contract will be moved to the Operational Unit, once
- they have started operation. The European members contribute to
- cost based on a cost key which is not fully decided yet, but key
- elements are the number of served organisations within a network and
- if the network uses the mapping tables or has registered a mapping.
- 50% of the total cost will be covered by the Commission of the
- European Countries. It is possible that networks which use the MHS
- Coordination Service outside Europe will be asked for a contribution
- too.
-
- It does make sense to have a single body coordinating the Internet
- X.400 efforts and the previous COSINE-MHS service. The new service
- will be called GO-MHS, where GO stands for Global Open. Erik Huizer
- is chartered to make sure that a political basis is found to have
- such a central coordination point funded. It must be open for
- everybody to get registered. The cost for the members should be
- split in consulting, registration and ongoing support. The MHS
- Coordination Service will work out the procedures on how to join:
- whom to ask, what does it cost, ...
-
- The GO-MHS community document has been accepted as is. The members
- of the GO-MHS community will have the change authority on this
- document. It is highly probable that CLNS will be added as a
- mandatory service as soon as more RELAY-MTAs support this stack.
-
- o IESG Internet Engineering Steering Group
- Erik Huizer, IESG Application Area Director, reported on the
- decision to create an Application Area Directorate which will
- investigate overall concepts for networked applications. Priority is
- set for email and the character set issue.
-
- The document on Mail Based Servers is considered of broader interest
- and will be taken out of the X400-OPS group to be worked on by email
- experts for the SMTP and X.400 protocols. However, the current
- version will be used as a requirements document by the MHS
- Coordination Service.
-
-
- Document status
-
- ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-mgtdomains-ops-05.txt
- Old: OPS-1
- Title: Operational Requirements for X.400 Management Domains in the
- GO-MHS Community
- Status: This document will be sent to the IESG for consideration as
- Informational RFC. Editorial comments can still be sent to Alf
- Hansen.
-
- ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400maps-02.txt
- Old: OPS-2a
- Title: Using the Internet DNS to maintain RFC1327 Address Mapping
- Tables
- Status: See next document
-
- ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt
- Old: OPS-2b
- Title: Using the Internet DNS to maintain RFC1327 Address Mapping
- Tables
- Status: Both documents have been sent to IESG for consideration as
- Experimental RFCs. Some IAB and IESG members consider the
- proposal as a misuse of DNS. A separate meeting is scheduled
- at this IETF to discuss this issue. The result may lead to a
- change of the documents 'draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400maps-
- 02.txt' and 'draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt'. A
- document on how to implement and integrate the proposals into
- the current service will be written by Claudio Allocchio and
- submitted as ID.
- A pilot for table distribution is already in place with a
- central server for the tables in Italy. A library of a few
- functions for building address converters and DNS loading
- tools together with a draft manual have just been finalised.
- It is not suggested to use this software until the issue of
- where in the tree to store the information has been solved.
-
- ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-mhs-service-05.txt
- Old: OPS-3
- Title: Routing coordination for X.400 MHS services within a multi
- protocol / multi network environment
- Table Format V3 for static routing
- Status: It has been sent to the IESG for consideration as Experimental
- Standard. The answer is expected soon.
- A number of typos have been reported during the meeting.
- Editorial comments may still be sent to the author Urs
- Eppenberger.
- The migration of the MHS Coordination Service to the new
- document format will start when the RFC is announced.
-
- ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-mapsmail-02.txt
- Old: OPS-4
- Title: Mapping between X.400(1984/1988) and Mail-11 (DECnet mail)
- Status: It has been accepted by the IESG as Experimental Standard RFC
- 1405.
- HEPNET is a very large Mail-11 user community connected to
- X.400 and Internet SMTP. They have been made aware of RFC1405
- (contact for the mail coordination group is Maria Dimou at
- CERN). RFC1405 has been implemented in the GIVEME gateway of
- INFN. It will also be integrated into PMDF from Innosoft.
- (Kevin, does CDC have a gateway to Mail-11?)
-
- ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-charactersets-01.txt
- Old: OPS-5
- Title: X.400 use of extended character sets
- Status: The document will be submitted by Harald Alvestrand to the
- IESG for consideration as Internet Standard.
-
- ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-tbl-dist-00.txt
- Old: OPS-6
- Title: Table distribution
- Status: The concept was presented by Marko Kaittola. The title of the
- document will change to reflect its content more clearly. The
- question has been raised if this document can be enhanced to
- offer a similar mechanism for email routing updates as RIP is
- for IP routers. The conclusion is that this is much more
- complex and needs more work. The document will offer a
- pragmatic solution for tables. An updated document is expected
- for the next IETF with the comments received. The
- implementation is planned to start after the next IETF in
- Amsterdam.
-
- ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-admd-01.txt
- Old: OPS-7
- Title: Assertion of C=US A=IMX
- This document is basically ready. A warning should be added
- that PRMD names are limited to 16 characters. The IESG is not
- in favour putting it on the standard track. It will therefore
- be submitted as Informational RFC, but nevertheless sent to
- IESG to get an official review. The IANA will act as registry
- even if the document is not defining a Standard.
-
- ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-evaluation-admd-00.txt
- Old: OPS-8
- Title: Evaluation of ADMDs and Integration aspects with respect to
- the R&D messaging community
- Status: The document has been distributed as ID on Feb 26, 1993.
- Comments are welcome. It has not been discussed during the
- meeting. It is planned as an Informational RFC.
-
- ID: draft-ietf-x400ops-postmaster-01.txt
- Old: OPS-9
- Title: Postmaster Convention for X.400 Operations
- Status: The document has been accepted by the group as is. It should
- be advanced as Proposed Standard.
-
- ID: not submitted yet
- Old: OPS-10
- Title: Explanation of how DNS should be used for Address Mapping and
- Routing purposes
- Status: See status report on 'draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt'.
-
- ID: not submitted yet
- Old: -
- Title: RFC1327 mapping authorities
- Status: Comments are requested. A new version with the comments
- integrated from the last MHS Managers meeting in Zurich will
- probably be ready by end of April. The next face to face
- meeting on this document is planned for RARE WG-MSG at JENC 93
- in Trondheim.
-
-
- Action list
-
- 1 Jim Romaguera to forward the questions from the ADMD operators to
- the X400-OPS list.
-
- 2 Erik Huizer to work out a possibility to base the coordination point
- for the GO-MHS community on a sound political basis.
-
- 3 The MHS Coordination Service to work out procedures for new members
- of the GO-MHS community to join the coordination service.
-
- 4 Alf Hansen to send draft-ietf-x400ops-mgtdomains-ops-05.txt to the
- IESG secretariat with a copy to the Area Director Erik Huizer for
- consideration of the document as an Informational RFC.
-
- 5 Claudio Allocchio to report to the X400-OPS group on the results of
- the discussion with IAB/IESG on the usage of DNS for mapping/routing
- tables.
-
- 6 Claudio Allocchio to update the documents draft-ietf-x400ops-
- dnsx400maps-02.txt and draft-ietf-x400ops-dnsx400rout-02.txt
- according the results of action point 5.
-
- 7 Claudio Allocchio to write a document on the implementation of the
- two proposals from action point 6.
-
- 8 Urs Eppenberger to wait for the decision of the IESG on his
- document, do the final modifications and send it to the RFC Editor.
-
- 9 Harald T. Alvestrand to send draft-ietf-x400ops-charactersets-01.txt
- to the IESG secretariat with a copy to the Area Director Erik Huizer
- for consideration of the document as a Proposed Standard.
-
- 10 Marko Kaittola to update his document according the comments
- received, choose a new title and prepare a new version for the next
- IETF meeting in Amsterdam.
-
- 11 Einar Stefferud to integrate the final comments to the document
- draft-ietf-x400ops-admd-01.txt and then send it to the IESG
- Secretariat for consideration as an Informational RFC.
-
- 12 Jim Romaguera to update his document after a final call for comments
- and send it to the RFC Editor for consideration as Informational
- RFC.
-
- 13 Allan Cargille to send draft-ietf-x400ops-postmaster-01.txt to the
- IESG Secretariat with a copy to the Area Director Erik Huizer for
- consideration of the document as a Proposed Standard.
-
- 14 All WG members to send comments to the mapping authority paper in a
- timely fashion to the list or to Jeroen Houttuin to allow him to
- create a new version for the next RARE WG-MSG meeting at JENC 93 in
- Trondheim.
-
- 15 Tony Genovese and Alf Hansen to propose a revised version of the
- charter.
-
-